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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

Bill wrote...
"Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical game"
I gotta back Nate's careful design philosophy here. Both of the new longer
holes (6 and 11) are about placement in the long positions, and favor a
technical thrower. They are both true masters par 4s in my opinion.
neither one requires or favors a big arm over a well placed fairway
drive.
I don't disagree with Nate's changes on 6 and 11 (hell, I almost died
out there from exhaustion the day we pushed #11 in and chipped it all).
But the thing is, "technical" means different things to different
people. For someone that can throw as far as Nate (or even 2/3 as
far), #11 LONNNNG *IS* very technical, because it IS about placement
and trying to skip your shot right into the doorway. But for
Weak Willys ...er... less powerful throwers such as myself, my very
best throw, distance-wise, JUST gets to the doorway. So for folks
such as myself, I not only have to throw all-out and achieve a pretty
much perfect drive distance-wise, but ALSO have to achieve a near
perfect throw accuracy-wise, at the same time. If either of those
fail, now it's not just technical, it's a long, pain in the ass hole.
(Maybe that was a poor choice of word combination with which to end
that last sentence... :-)

I guess what I'm trying to say (and failing miserably) is that I
agree with what you say above. BUT... there are lots of classes of
players using the course, and we can't (and shouldn't) try to force
every hole to be 'perfect' for any one class of players. EVERYONE
(meaning every "class of player") should have some holes they think
are great and some holes that they're luke warm about, because the
different classes of people will find different things challenging
and fun.

And that's the source of friction about these changes: everyone wants
every hole to be as fun and challenging for THEM as possible, and that
just can't happen.

Everett

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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

I promise, nothing to do with bt...

can't let this stand though: 

"Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical game"

I gotta back Nate's careful design philosophy here.  Both of the new longer holes (6 and 11) are about placement in the long positions, and favor a technical thrower.  They are both true masters par 4s in my opinion.  neither one requires or favors a big arm over a well placed fairway drive.  

I also need to quit being so contrary.  I quit drinking beer last week.  it's making me grumpy.

billy

On Feb 17, 2014 7:54 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:

oh, I'm just getting started!!!!

....uh....nope, I'm done.

Rock the Vote!

...ok, seriously, not another word.

billy

On Feb 17, 2014 7:49 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 

Billy……GOT IT.

 

From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:24 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

 

First of all, let me totally and wholeheartedly agree with you regarding flippant removal of "shrubbery".  I've always appreciated your passion and fire to get after rogue trimmers, Everett.

"yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly"

no, wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that I didn't think cutting or refraining from cutting the bt should have anything to do with "handedness of throw".

My arguments for at least "giving it a trim" are thus:

1.  The bt is a potential energy laden overhead hazard that could (however statistically unlikely) kill or maim someone.

2.  The bt DOES make the shot more difficult, at least in the center and right pin positions, but (imho) DOESN'T do it in a very interesting way- rather an annoying one. (a counterpoint would be the arching "connor tree" over the entrance of the second fairway of hole 11)... certain shots are limited, but it's not in the way of a well thrown shot down the fairway.  The bt has been known to drop many a "well thrown shot".

I realize a lot of this is subjective and boils down to opinion and playing style, as you said.  Hell, I've argued passionately to KEEP the bt around, in the past...so don't take me too seriously(like any of you would- har!)

oh boy, I've really gotten myself in deep.  Kim's mad now. 

I recant.  let's instead rubberize it like that "Bodies" exhibit from china, give it a light carbon fiber core...boom, safety issue solved, and it'll be there forever!

...Or we could just put it to vote

billy

 

Bill wrote...
>> I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
>> a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
>> backhand friendly holes.

Bill wrote...
> Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
> (2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
> (1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.

> I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
> working on my (non-existent) forehand"

Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

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Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

oh, I'm just getting started!!!!

....uh....nope, I'm done.

Rock the Vote!

...ok, seriously, not another word.

billy

On Feb 17, 2014 7:49 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 

Billy……GOT IT.

 

From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:24 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

 

First of all, let me totally and wholeheartedly agree with you regarding flippant removal of "shrubbery".  I've always appreciated your passion and fire to get after rogue trimmers, Everett.

"yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly"

no, wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that I didn't think cutting or refraining from cutting the bt should have anything to do with "handedness of throw".

My arguments for at least "giving it a trim" are thus:

1.  The bt is a potential energy laden overhead hazard that could (however statistically unlikely) kill or maim someone.

2.  The bt DOES make the shot more difficult, at least in the center and right pin positions, but (imho) DOESN'T do it in a very interesting way- rather an annoying one. (a counterpoint would be the arching "connor tree" over the entrance of the second fairway of hole 11)... certain shots are limited, but it's not in the way of a well thrown shot down the fairway.  The bt has been known to drop many a "well thrown shot".

I realize a lot of this is subjective and boils down to opinion and playing style, as you said.  Hell, I've argued passionately to KEEP the bt around, in the past...so don't take me too seriously(like any of you would- har!)

oh boy, I've really gotten myself in deep.  Kim's mad now. 

I recant.  let's instead rubberize it like that "Bodies" exhibit from china, give it a light carbon fiber core...boom, safety issue solved, and it'll be there forever!

...Or we could just put it to vote

billy

 

Bill wrote...
>> I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
>> a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
>> backhand friendly holes.

Bill wrote...
> Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
> (2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
> (1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.

> I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
> working on my (non-existent) forehand"

Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

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Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
======================================================================


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Eric Smith
 

Billy……GOT IT.

 

From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:24 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

 

First of all, let me totally and wholeheartedly agree with you regarding flippant removal of "shrubbery".  I've always appreciated your passion and fire to get after rogue trimmers, Everett.

"yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly"

no, wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that I didn't think cutting or refraining from cutting the bt should have anything to do with "handedness of throw".

My arguments for at least "giving it a trim" are thus:

1.  The bt is a potential energy laden overhead hazard that could (however statistically unlikely) kill or maim someone.

2.  The bt DOES make the shot more difficult, at least in the center and right pin positions, but (imho) DOESN'T do it in a very interesting way- rather an annoying one. (a counterpoint would be the arching "connor tree" over the entrance of the second fairway of hole 11)... certain shots are limited, but it's not in the way of a well thrown shot down the fairway.  The bt has been known to drop many a "well thrown shot".

I realize a lot of this is subjective and boils down to opinion and playing style, as you said.  Hell, I've argued passionately to KEEP the bt around, in the past...so don't take me too seriously(like any of you would- har!)

oh boy, I've really gotten myself in deep.  Kim's mad now. 

I recant.  let's instead rubberize it like that "Bodies" exhibit from china, give it a light carbon fiber core...boom, safety issue solved, and it'll be there forever!

...Or we could just put it to vote

billy

 

Bill wrote...
>> I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
>> a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
>> backhand friendly holes.

Bill wrote...
> Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
> (2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
> (1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.

> I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
> working on my (non-existent) forehand"

Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

======================================================================
Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
======================================================================


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

First of all, let me totally and wholeheartedly agree with you regarding flippant removal of "shrubbery".  I've always appreciated your passion and fire to get after rogue trimmers, Everett.

"yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly"

no, wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that I didn't think cutting or refraining from cutting the bt should have anything to do with "handedness of throw".

My arguments for at least "giving it a trim" are thus:

1.  The bt is a potential energy laden overhead hazard that could (however statistically unlikely) kill or maim someone.

2.  The bt DOES make the shot more difficult, at least in the center and right pin positions, but (imho) DOESN'T do it in a very interesting way- rather an annoying one. (a counterpoint would be the arching "connor tree" over the entrance of the second fairway of hole 11)... certain shots are limited, but it's not in the way of a well thrown shot down the fairway.  The bt has been known to drop many a "well thrown shot".

I realize a lot of this is subjective and boils down to opinion and playing style, as you said.  Hell, I've argued passionately to KEEP the bt around, in the past...so don't take me too seriously(like any of you would- har!)

oh boy, I've really gotten myself in deep.  Kim's mad now. 

I recant.  let's instead rubberize it like that "Bodies" exhibit from china, give it a light carbon fiber core...boom, safety issue solved, and it'll be there forever!

...Or we could just put it to vote

billy

 

Bill wrote...
>> I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
>> a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
>> backhand friendly holes.

Bill wrote...
> Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
> (2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
> (1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.

> I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
> working on my (non-existent) forehand"

Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

======================================================================
Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
======================================================================


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Kimberly Halsey
 

well said, Everett. There seems to be plenty of love for triple mandos during tournaments, but none for the bifurcated hole #10. Leave it be, and please, Billy, stop writing as if it's a foregone conclusion.

Kim

Quoting Everett Kaser <everett@kaser.com>:

Bill wrote...
I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
backhand friendly holes.
Bill wrote...
Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
(2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
(1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.
I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
working on my (non-existent) forehand"
Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

======================================================================
Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
======================================================================


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Mike Gibson
 

You might change your assessment Billy if the tree you cut in half was rooted on the left side of the fairway and hanging into your "open fairway".
Mike


On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:55 PM, Bill Gaskill wrote:
 

"Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut."
I would disagree with that assessment Mike.  I think a course should have a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite backhand friendly holes. (ahem...could use a few more backhand friendlies @ Willamette)
Plus, I'm not convinced that a well placed cut wouldn't benefit both.  An open fairway is an open fairway. 
whatever throwing style, all would benefit by not having to walk under a 500lb.+, half dead log every time they walk down the fairway...
I know the odds are against it, but widows have been made by such.
billy
On Feb 16, 2014 9:34 PM, "mike gibson" <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 
Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut.


On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:54 PM, Bill Gaskill <billgaskill@...> wrote:
 
well, that's one voting option.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:52 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 
Or just leave it alone
 
From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification
 
 
a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:
yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.
billy
On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 
I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens
 
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 
Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?
Mike
 





Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

Bill wrote...
I would disagree with that assessment Mike. I think a course should have
a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite
backhand friendly holes.
Bill wrote...
Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has
(2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only
(1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.
I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start
working on my (non-existent) forehand"
Oops. Overstated your case. :-) Your first post confirmed your
belief that the course should have some predominantly forehand-friendly
holes, and your second post confirms that #10 is such, and yet you're
arguing that #10 needs to be made more backhand-friendly?

My biggest problem with course changes, over the past 10+ years that
I've been playing (and predominantly at Adair), is that the course
has steadily been getting nothing but easier (with the exception of
Nate's recent hole lengthenings, which is only a plus for the LONG
throwers, not for those who appreciate a more moderate, more technical
game), due to both intentional changes as well as outlaw limb, brush
and tree cutting.

Which is why I drag my feet firmly at most (not all, but most)
suggestions to cut more things that can't ever be replaced.

Everett

======================================================================
Everett Kaser Software Logic & Puzzle Games for computers
PO Box 403
Albany OR 97321-0117 Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
USA http://www.kaser.com
======================================================================


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

Also (not to over state my case), but I would also argue that hole 10 has (2) forehand friendly pin positions (the berm, and right position) and only (1) backhand friendly one (straight), boner tree or none.

I know it's one hole I step up to regularly and think "ok, I need to start working on my (non-existent) forehand"

billy

On Feb 17, 2014 4:55 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:


"Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut."

I would disagree with that assessment Mike.  I think a course should have a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite backhand friendly holes. (ahem...could use a few more backhand friendlies @ Willamette)

Plus, I'm not convinced that a well placed cut wouldn't benefit both.  An open fairway is an open fairway. 

whatever throwing style, all would benefit by not having to walk under a 500lb.+, half dead log every time they walk down the fairway...

I know the odds are against it, but widows have been made by such.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 9:34 PM, "mike gibson" <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 

Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut.


On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:54 PM, Bill Gaskill <billgaskill@...> wrote:
 
well, that's one voting option.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:52 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 
Or just leave it alone
 
From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification
 
 
a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:
yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.
billy
On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 
I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens
 
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 
Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?
Mike
 



Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 


"Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut."

I would disagree with that assessment Mike.  I think a course should have a balance overall, but there can be definite forehand friendly and definite backhand friendly holes. (ahem...could use a few more backhand friendlies @ Willamette)

Plus, I'm not convinced that a well placed cut wouldn't benefit both.  An open fairway is an open fairway. 

whatever throwing style, all would benefit by not having to walk under a 500lb.+, half dead log every time they walk down the fairway...

I know the odds are against it, but widows have been made by such.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 9:34 PM, "mike gibson" <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 

Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut.


On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:54 PM, Bill Gaskill <billgaskill@...> wrote:
 
well, that's one voting option.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:52 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 
Or just leave it alone
 
From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification
 
 
a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:
yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.
billy
On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 
I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens
 
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 
Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?
Mike
 



Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Mike Gibson
 

Leaving half a tree only benefits back hand throwers. Should be cut fairly for all if it gets cut.


On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:54 PM, Bill Gaskill wrote:
 
well, that's one voting option.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:52 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 
Or just leave it alone
 
From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification
 
 
a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.
On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:
yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.
billy
On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 
I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens
 
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 
Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?
Mike
 



Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

well, that's one voting option.

On Feb 16, 2014 6:52 PM, "Eric Smith" <inspectorsmith@...> wrote:
 

Or just leave it alone

 

From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

 

a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.

On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:

yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:

 

I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:

 

Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?

Mike

 


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Eric Smith
 

Or just leave it alone

 

From: wdgc@... [mailto:wdgc@...] On Behalf Of Bill Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:19 PM
To: wdgc@...
Subject: Re: [wdgc] RE: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

 

a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.

On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:

yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:

 

I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:

 

Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?

Mike

 


Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

a couple stepwise cuts will be safer anyway.

On Feb 16, 2014 6:18 PM, "Bill Gaskill" <billgaskill@...> wrote:

yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 

I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 

Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?

Mike



Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Bill Gaskill
 

yeah, thought about that when I was cutting recent fallen tree on 10- that's what it did....I figured I'd take a chunk off above where I wanted final cut, let it do any moving, then make final cut on angle that looks good.

billy

On Feb 16, 2014 4:54 PM, "Doug Ulfers" <doug.ulfers@...> wrote:
 

I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 

Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?

Mike



Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

Doug Ulfers
 

I kinda suspect if the #10 tree is cut off half way, the weight of the root ball will try and stand it back up close to vertical...Do it ..See what happens


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:01 AM, <disharoonone@...> wrote:
 

Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two thirds of those voting?

Mike



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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

Disharoonone wrote...
Is it two/thirds of the membership must approve the change--or two
thirds of those voting? Mike
Two thirds of those VOTING. The full text of the appropriate section
of the by-laws (which is available on the Yahoo Groups site in
the Files section, in the General Documents folder) is:

******************************************************************
Major Modifications are changes which fundamentally effect the play on
a hole and include changes in tee locations, basket locations, fairway
design, path routes, standing course rules (OB or mandos), and signage.
Additionally vegetation removal or branch trimming of trees or shrubs
which physically or psychologically effect the play of any hole shall
be considered a major modification.

Vigilante or rogue vegetation removal is a serious threat to the
continued quality of play on a course and should be discouraged though
outreach and publication of the course modification process.

The process for major modification is as follows:
The proposal is discussed at a WDGC meeting and the details of the
change are described. Markings are placed on the course to describe
the proposed change and the proposed change is publicized through
email, including the time and date of any “on-site” WDGC discussion
meeting, and a detailed explanation of the change and the meaning of
any markings on the course. Photographs placed on the website may
help members visualize the proposal. No sooner than two weeks after
the WDGC meeting at which the proposal was made the club shall vote
on the proposal – with provisions for absentee voting. Two-thirds
majority of those members voting is required for a proposal to be
accepted, as the proposal must be clearly seen to be advantageous by
a strong majority. If passed by the membership the proposal is
brought to the course owning entity for their approval – after which
the work is carried out by the membership under the organization of
the course greenskeeper.
******************************************************************

Everett

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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

Greg wrote...
Thanks Jay for the recap of the voting rules.  With that, what to
do with the log on 10 needs to be restructured to a yes/no vote. 
What was originally proposed was 1/2 way. Those that voted to get
rid of the whole thing should update our votes.  I vote in favor
of cutting it 1/2 way and trying it that way for a while.
My vote was, and remains, not cutting the log at all. (Just to be on
the record, as I'm a paid member...) I feel there's plenty of room
for a well placed shot. Maybe not YOUR preferred shot, but if you
don't have all the irons ...er... plastic... you need in your bag,
that's not the problem of the COURSE. Also, the leaner tree's days
(or years) are numbered anyway, so we might as well enjoy it while
it's there, as it WILL be going away eventually, probably within
5 to 10 years AT MOST, even if we do nothing. Be patient, and you
whiners will get what you want anyway. :-)

Everett

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Re: Course Modification Vote Clarification

 

Bill wrote...
There you go again Jay, harping on my overzealous whacking of snowberry
bushes on hole 9!! That was years ago man, give it a rest! :-) har
I must admit, I do have some zeal at times that is hard to contain..though
my children and the years seem to be siphoning some of it off.
Be VERY careful, Billy, it was my overzealousness that got me roped into
being the Adair Greenskeeper for years. And Nate IS going to be leaving
the area soon...

Everett

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